I’ll readily admit I’m a bit of a grammar snob. When I see i.e. (i.e., ‘that is’ – i.e., everything in the set) used in place of e.g., (i.e., for example – i.e., not everything in the set), I die a little inside. Well, not really, but that’s the level of grammar uppity-uppity I’m at (yes, Virginia, this sentence intentionally ends w/ a preposition – b/c I’m not at that level, though, if you keep reading, you’ll find that I am at that level – yes, kill me now, fear me later).
Worse than id est vs. exempli gratia, and perhaps worse than improper use of conditionals and subjunctives (e.g., ‘I wish I wasn’t a grammar snob’ – even writing that ‘was’ there hurt), is the misuse of that and which (the latter usually for the former). i.e. vs e.g. doesn’t pop up in most non-technical writing and misuse of were vs. was can be attributed to style or character, even if not intended. That vs. Which, however, has no excuse. E.g., in a recent article, the culprit wrote the following:
Stringer violated an NCAA bylaw which states that managers may not participate as practice players with the institution's team if they are not eligible student-athletes.
Of course, I’m sure said offender thought that 2 ‘that’s separated by a single word was bad news, though the cynic in me believes that had that offender removed that that, they’d still have used that which. That is to say, that perhaps that sentence should have been written as such:
Stringer violated an NCAA bylaw that states [optional that] managers may not participate as practice players with the institution's team if they are not eligible student-athletes
or
Stringer violated an NCAA bylaw, which states [optional that] managers may not participate as practice players with the institution's team if they are not eligible student-athletes
Yes, I’m sometimes the self-recognized mayor of crazyville, but give me 5 adverb modified dialogue tags and a sparkling vampire before that insidious which.
Worse than id est vs. exempli gratia, and perhaps worse than improper use of conditionals and subjunctives (e.g., ‘I wish I wasn’t a grammar snob’ – even writing that ‘was’ there hurt), is the misuse of that and which (the latter usually for the former). i.e. vs e.g. doesn’t pop up in most non-technical writing and misuse of were vs. was can be attributed to style or character, even if not intended. That vs. Which, however, has no excuse. E.g., in a recent article, the culprit wrote the following:
Stringer violated an NCAA bylaw which states that managers may not participate as practice players with the institution's team if they are not eligible student-athletes.
Of course, I’m sure said offender thought that 2 ‘that’s separated by a single word was bad news, though the cynic in me believes that had that offender removed that that, they’d still have used that which. That is to say, that perhaps that sentence should have been written as such:
Stringer violated an NCAA bylaw that states [optional that] managers may not participate as practice players with the institution's team if they are not eligible student-athletes
or
Stringer violated an NCAA bylaw, which states [optional that] managers may not participate as practice players with the institution's team if they are not eligible student-athletes
Yes, I’m sometimes the self-recognized mayor of crazyville, but give me 5 adverb modified dialogue tags and a sparkling vampire before that insidious which.
Harsh. Now I'm nervous to comment cuz I'm sure my grammar's all messed up. :O)
ReplyDeleteHa ha -- yeah, I'm a grammar Nazi... and don't spell notin' wrong neither ;)
ReplyDeleteoh, I so mix up the i.e. and e.g. *ducks head in shame*
ReplyDelete*ducking with Roni*
ReplyDeleteSay Bane, if you have a sec, would you mind proofing my post? :D
Don't tempt me ;)
ReplyDeleteSo, what do you think of posts which have that thingy stuck in parenthesis: (like; whatever it might be like.)?
ReplyDeleteGotta mess with ya' dude.
.......dhole
Breaking syntax/grammar rules doesn't bother me in the freeform world of blogdom, but if one's seeking publication with a piece of work (or if one's editing it), certain rules should be followed, otherwise you're just the Phoenix Suns (how's that for an esoteric basketball analogy, which, I'm guessing, based on the demographic, nobody will get :)
ReplyDeleteBane, I love your uppity grammar sense which that makes me laugh at that, which is funny that.
ReplyDeleteI by no means can claim to be so correct. I will say: the things I know about, I follow 92% of the time. Things I never learned (or worse, forgot, and still worse, don't care about), I only follow 10% of the time, on accident. I definitely have an editor for submissions.
I am simultaneously afraid, and wishing that I had someone like you on call to proof my book.
ReplyDeleteBane,
ReplyDeleteYou remind me of one of my sisters. She has the nickname "Regina Grammara". You two would have an interesting time comparing notes.
P.S. Have you thought of becoming an editor?
ReplyDeleteI'm a grammar snob, but only about some things. I think that comes from grading too many high school essays. I can nail kids for things they know, but have to let things they haven't learned yet slide.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I recently went berserko over their semicolon usage. Now they're banned from using them until their English teacher can cover them in depth.
Regina, I think the ones you know about and disregard might be the best b/c you're probably thinking more outside the box than my left brain allows me :)
ReplyDeleteAmalia, afraid's probably the best response. Much as I hate to admit it, my rigidity's probably not a good thing.
Bethany, ha -- my mom's a technical editor, so that's probably where I get some of it from, though I don't think I'd have the patience for it.
Stephanie, when I was teaching for The Princeton Review, semicolons were one of the hardest things for the students to learn. I never used to use them myself, but then for a period of about a year or so I went crazy with them. Thankfully, I've gathered control of myself and now limit them mostly to emoticons ;)
Bane, my brother in grammar snobbery, I am so very much with you on this.
ReplyDeleteIgnoring the realization that 95% of all usages of the word "that" can be eliminated from the text, there are so many other phrases/words that get used incorrectly it's enough to make the grammar Nazi in me scream.
This is why I always ask people what level of edit they want from me. I have, on occasion, handed back a copy-edited document with so much red on it the thing might as well have been written in that color. Yeah, that's how crazy I am.
Side note: Have you ever read "Eats, Shoots and Leaves?" It's a very entertaining book for people like us.
Sweet, I didn't do that bad on RUDY TOOT-TOOT, which is the first MS I've asked you to beta read for me.
ReplyDeleteI suck at grammar. *Hangs head in shame*
ReplyDeleteMatt, ES&L was definitely a fun read. Those edited docs sound a lot like why mom used to hand back to me in my first day of writing. Now there's only one or 2 a page -- I guess that's a metric of improvement.
ReplyDeleteRick, :) -- betcha didn't know what you were getting into, but you did good (in all facets, IMHO :)
Natalie, though I'm sometimes too much of a stickler for the rules (except whilst in school), I think if there's anything to 'suck' at in writing (and probably any aspect o' life), grammar's gotta be near/at the top of the list.
I never get tired of your intellectually funny voice, Bane. It's amazing how you can totally crack me up with a serious post. Of course, now I'll be paranoid about errors every time I comment. :-)
ReplyDeleteToo fun. Now I'll be thinking about "which" all day.
ReplyDeleteWinged Writer
Shannon, I'm totally e-blushing now :)
ReplyDeleteHa! The above sentence is gramatically perfect. You know. The invisible one. Right ^^ there.
ReplyDelete每一個人無論怎樣渺小,在自己的眼中,都自有其份量 ..................................................
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing that the above comment may or may not be gramatically perfect. I could of course be wrong... My dear old Mum used to spread mustard on Spam, bake it, and suggest to us that it was edible. I'm just sayin'...
ReplyDeleteUgh. I thought I was a grammar snob, but I had to read that post like six times to even understand a word of it. So, if we just never use "which" is that okay? Now, I'm afraid to.
ReplyDeleteI've missed your witty blog postings! I've left an award for you on my blog.
ReplyDeleteHope all is well!